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Re: T.R Snapper clutch
« Reply #50 on: October 28, 2015, 06:49:36 AM »
Greg was going do a 46 hybrid build don't know if that still going?
Only other person that had one was Damo for testing.
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Re: T.R Snapper clutch
« Reply #51 on: October 28, 2015, 07:02:05 AM »
Ok mite contact them both... Maybe they can shine some light on this.. I can get a 70 here and a 71 I think they both use the same crank. But have the same taper as I have seen a couple run standard clutches through them.
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Re: T.R Snapper clutch
« Reply #52 on: October 28, 2015, 09:15:55 AM »
rino can you try the clutch out before ya take it to a machinst .. see if it all works ..

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Re: T.R Snapper clutch
« Reply #53 on: October 28, 2015, 12:43:49 PM »
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rino can you try the clutch out before ya take it to a machinst .. see if it all works ..

 I could Ambro... but if its starts to slip after a while im stuck possibly with a useless bit of aluminium. 
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Re: T.R Snapper clutch
« Reply #54 on: October 28, 2015, 12:52:25 PM »
I have a 46 crank. thumbsup  and 2 engines atm.
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Re: T.R Snapper clutch
« Reply #55 on: October 28, 2015, 12:53:13 PM »
And I could take a pic too no probs!
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Re: T.R Snapper clutch
« Reply #56 on: October 28, 2015, 01:13:24 PM »
from what turtle racing is saying..theres apparently 3 kinds of cranks that rcmax used on the 46 with all different tapers..dunno if thats true or him just covering up his ass dontknow

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Re: T.R Snapper clutch
« Reply #57 on: October 28, 2015, 03:15:37 PM »
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I have a 46 crank. thumbsup  and 2 engines atm.

mate i get your details and send it out to you.

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Re: T.R Snapper clutch
« Reply #58 on: October 28, 2015, 04:54:39 PM »
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rino can you try the clutch out before ya take it to a machinst .. see if it all works ..

 I could Ambro... but if its starts to slip after a while im stuck possibly with a useless bit of aluminium.  

just give it a try rino before ya do any thing or machining to it .. put it to the test thats the only way  to be real sure ....  it may work fine or it may fail but at least you tried it without any machining etc ..

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Re: T.R Snapper clutch
« Reply #59 on: October 28, 2015, 08:43:51 PM »
No problem I send it out to check a few things then I test it... I'm covering all basses.
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Re: T.R Snapper clutch
« Reply #60 on: October 28, 2015, 11:48:22 PM »
Could try lapping it on to an old crank with some valve grinding paste get it to seat better and then a light one on the eng crank , had to do this recently with a fretting  Mini Flywheel similar design  taper fit
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Re: T.R Snapper clutch
« Reply #61 on: October 29, 2015, 01:11:42 PM »
might give this ago...
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Re: T.R Snapper clutch
« Reply #62 on: October 29, 2015, 04:37:56 PM »
Guys can you see anything wrong with this video

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Re: T.R Snapper clutch
« Reply #63 on: October 29, 2015, 05:56:26 PM »
yep  the vid its too long for a start

but yeah i see a prob that can arise from this with big mtrs

is it within the first 2 min of the video rino

i like tr stuff 90% of his products are fantastic ..

but with this clutch and the mcd style one i see a prob with the groove in the clutch bell from the clutch plate lugs .. if the weights are to strong and your on / off the gas a lot it might wear thru the basket .. if it was wearing a groove with a 32 imagine big bore mtr ..

thats what i thought ages ago with the mcd one they released same thing .. but who knows till ya try one if it will last or be a prob or not..
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Re: T.R Snapper clutch
« Reply #64 on: October 29, 2015, 07:56:08 PM »
Ambro you can clearly see that the cluch is to forward and the basket is hitting the 4 screws on top of the clutch. Bedding in??  Metal on metal contact is not good in any form like that to me. Like I have mentioned before there are some that really don't see things... and say the wrong things. I will say it again the problem is the clutch plate doesn't go in far enough.  You have seen that on my standard crank.... If the plate doesn't sit in correctly aventually it will give. The big big bore just make it happen quicker. I'm still waiting on a descent video that is over 2 mins of some real bashing. Not just little bleeps of and on.
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Re: T.R Snapper clutch
« Reply #65 on: October 29, 2015, 08:12:30 PM »
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Ambro you can clearly see that the cluch is to forward and the basket is hitting the 4 screws on top of the clutch. Bedding in??  Metal on metal contact is not good in any form like that to me. Like I have mentioned before there are some that really don't see things... and say the wrong things. I will say it again the problem is the clutch plate doesn't go in far enough.  You have seen that on my standard crank.... If the plate doesn't sit in correctly aventually it will give. The big big bore just make it happen quicker. I'm still waiting on a descent video that is over 2 mins of some real bashing. Not just little bleeps of and on.

that of what ya taking about is very minimal and looking at the clutch basket doesn't seem to much scrapping on the inside you can shim that rino space it a bit more..

id be a bit more worried about the grooving of the clutch lugs onto the nell  than that bit  for running it up / dpwn drive way .. sure has some wear on the clutch bell basket

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Re: T.R Snapper clutch
« Reply #66 on: October 29, 2015, 08:22:42 PM »
Ambro

How are you going to shim that? The clutch basket doesn't go any further into  the carrier...... Any form if scrapping is no good. There is only to options the plate has to go in more . The other is to do this....


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Re: T.R Snapper clutch
« Reply #67 on: October 29, 2015, 08:35:14 PM »
that is a fair bit to shim thumbsup

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Re: T.R Snapper clutch
« Reply #68 on: October 29, 2015, 08:37:44 PM »
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that is a fair bit to shim thumbsup

I don't know about shimming.... Nearly 2 mm of material to be removed.
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Re: T.R Snapper clutch
« Reply #69 on: October 29, 2015, 08:45:23 PM »
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that is a fair bit to shim thumbsup

I don't know about shimming.... Nearly 2 mm of material to be removed.

yeah ya can't shim it that much .. thats to much .. be keen to see if the machining ya done affects the clutch and basket in any way ..

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Re: T.R Snapper clutch
« Reply #70 on: October 29, 2015, 08:55:07 PM »
Was the bell that far inside the bearing when its mounted? That will side load the bearings. They can only have radial load on them. Surely thats not right to have to remove 2mm off of the shaft.
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Re: T.R Snapper clutch
« Reply #71 on: October 29, 2015, 10:45:21 PM »
Mate

This guy had to do that because his basket ie clutch bell was touching his clutch you can see vids of this.   I still think it would of fitted if the clutch plate seated correctly. But also the basket is out he would of had to do that anyway maybe not as much to in crease the gap between the clutch & basket but still would of had a issue with the bell shaft not flush with the outer bearing of the clutch carrier. The whole design for the blackbone set up is out. We will have to see how The,standard snapper clutch plates last in extreme punishment.

Also a quick one to all you Rcmax 46 guys did your engine come with a clutch plate or did you purchase a standard clutch plate to install a standard cy clutch.
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Re: T.R Snapper clutch
« Reply #72 on: October 30, 2015, 08:38:33 PM »
Myth is busted

Rino brand me a brand new snapper clutch this arvo and i measured it up n checked the taper etc

Taper....fukn fantastic
Depth of taper seat not so fantastic

The snappers taper seat diameter is about .7mm undersized..... hence why it doesn't go onto the crank that extra 2mm or so that it needs to

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Re: T.R Snapper clutch
« Reply #73 on: October 30, 2015, 09:35:28 PM »
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Myth is busted

Rino brand me a brand new snapper clutch this arvo and i measured it up n checked the taper etc

Taper....fukn fantastic
Depth of taper seat not so fantastic

The snappers taper seat diameter is about .7mm undersized..... hence why it doesn't go onto the crank that extra 2mm or so that it needs to

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So it's a TR issue not a 3 diffrent cranks used be Rc Max Deal
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Re: T.R Snapper clutch
« Reply #74 on: October 30, 2015, 09:39:24 PM »
It's a TR issue... The 3 different taper cranks only apply to the 65/70/71 nothing to do with the 46...TR is using that as an escape goat